An excellent website in which a Catholic theologian evaluates Marian apparitions is catholicplanet.com/apparitions. Why are Priests, Bishops, Arch Bishops, Cardinals, Nuns, Brothers, Christians, children, etc. Correct, and succinct. But it does not surprise me when you look back in history. This is simply how I personally would react to your hypothetical question of whether or not Id obey a Bishop who told me that the Blessed Sacrament is only truly our Lord during the Mass, and outside the Mass it can be disregarded. I know of an alleged visionary (I think hes the real deal!) Did she have one?That is the only way, plus obedience to the Church . Likewise, the Bishop who forbade St. Padre Pio from seeing people and confined him like a criminal and took away his faculties. Obedience does not mean following the erroneous directives of bishops. A warning IS an admonishment. Jesus tells us the same thing in the Gospel (Cast out the beam in your own eye so that you can see clearly to see the speck in your brothers eye). Bigger trials are coming in the future, Patti. Will you gain fruit from disobedience to the bishop? It is naive and foolish to assume something so shallow as to call one bishops discernment the Voice of the Church itself.. Bishop Zanic, local bishop of Mejugorie, disapproved of that apparition, and the Vatican disregarded his discernmemt completely and instead handed over the decision to a committee. Are the Holy Love messages necessary for salvation? What is pointless and sad, Elizabeth? Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). Maybe you should go back and re-read. He was also my father, Thomas T.s, spiritual director. thomas stated 20 yrs before he was beheaded that the king would have his ,thomashead if thomas interferred with the king. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. The relevancy of the full doctrine of the Catholic Faith being taught at HLM is most relevant to the deplorable catechesis that has gone on in this country for 40 years due to poor and, in some cases, nonexistent teaching by the bishops.. That you state that HLM messages are irrelevant to the topic again shows your blind obtuseness to the truth. I would ask that you speak in specifics. Bishops have allowed these spiritual perversions and they will answer to God for it. Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours! Simply reading the endless so-called messages on their website, direct from the Blessed Virgin, Jesus, and a host of saints was enough to alert the little internal red flags. Correction, should be Where Maureen Claimed she was receiving messages and apparitions. Too often, after apparitions are condemned people feel betrayed and give up on God and the Church. His friend and business partner, whose farm property held a large cross and the gathering, reported that Steve and visionaries throughout the world had been called by the Blessed Mother to go to Medjugorje. 6/10/93 from Our Lady: You do not realize how powerful your prayers are and how much I need them. This is contrary to our faith. 4 You pray for government leaders who support abortion.". Remember those who walked away from Christ because He told them,; Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of God, you have no life in you. this was a hard saying for them. At Holy Love Ministries the faithful have an opportunity to learn the true Faith in all its fullness and richness. Obviously, you must have something else in your hands. Nor would there have been the initial miracles to report at Lourdes, France if people did not flock to the miraculous spring. By the time I stopped at the latter place, I was much more informed and immediately felt the place was creepy for many reasons. What would the devil get out of the deal? Let me quote again from Catholic Apologetics: Is not fidelity to the true teaching of the Church to be given. I lost my father to this place simply because the visionary and other devoted followers made him feel special and important. She is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit, Who is One with Her through grace FLOWS THROUGH HER. Merry Christmas to all. oh yea, shes spent thousands of dollars flying up there and one of her friends said:why doesnt God pick me to be the visionary? what is the fruit of this ministry? Condemnation, Mary, is a canonical act. Come, Lord Jesus! Our Lady with the bowl in her hand and using the baking of a cake to put forth her message. Is it possible the Bishop is wrong about Holy Love? People bring their holiness with them, so prayers and love of God is usually present. Thank you for posting that. Until and unless that happens, people are endangering their souls by going there. It is a gossip piece such as you read about movie stars. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Remember what Joan of Arc went through with bishops. Exactly. I just didnt see the word condemned in the citation I linked to. When will we learn to listen and obey the Holy Spirit??? Evidently Christs Mother knows the difference between true obedience and the false obedience of excess as St. Thomas gives it to us in the Summa , his greatest work. Thank you for clarifying, Kevin. I do not think in those terms, and so my use of the word was totally innocent.. It is offensive. If he could, I am sure he would. Ignatius of Loyola. Thats what were all talking about here. People have been going to this shrine since the early 1990s, drawn by founder Sweeney-Kyles claim that Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary and a host of saints are appearing to her with messages. You seem to becoming a little unglued.) NO legitimate apparition in the history of the Catholic Church has EVER told/ordered/directed someone to go outside of the authority of the Church in order to make itself known. While you are diddling with proper canonical procedure about apparition sites, the Faith will be completely lost. God answers prayers. Didnt Jesus also loved the gentiles? For Bishop Lennon to state in his canonical decree regarding Holy Love Ministries,.having reviewed the theological content of the alleged apparitions to Maureen Sweeney-Kyle, and having consulted an expert in this matter, I .declare the alleged apparitions and locations(I think he means locutions)are not supernatural in origin. one has to say that he disavows anything supernatural in origin in the teachings of the Catholic Faith, for the doctrine of Holy Love Ministries is the full Catholic teaching in all its pristine splendor. The clarity and the authenticity of the mystical theology taught there is the Catholic Faith. Will this make you feel okay about it.? (Someone above has a way you can bring the document up on the internet.Scroll up and find it.)) Using the language that he did has nothing to do with modern times; it has to do with what is canonical limitations are. It concerns me in a personal way because I know several friends who are what Id call serious Catholics, but are seriously attached to this place, almost in a cult-like fashion. I would have loved to have witnessed something like the pilgrims at Fatima did, but really, I do not need it. Re: your reference to The Imitation of Christ. That 3221 was arguing from the satanic messages of HLM was apparent given his/her fierceness. Again, Madame, an admonishment IS a warning and a warning and/or admonishment (Same thinglook it up in the dictionary) is NOT A FORMAL COMMAND OF OBEDIENCE and does NOT NEED TO BE OBEYED. Believe., ***********************************************, (10/14/12-JESUS) and not only were the decree and letter published in English, they were also published in Spanish and Korean undoubtedly to insure that language was not a barrier to getting the information: http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=343:decree-holy-love-ministries-decreto-ministerios-del-santo-amor-&catid=67. May they rest in peace. HLM teaches the truths of the Catholic Faith in full. Hildebrand says,If there are only a few persons who belileve the true Faith, they are the Church. (Catholic Apologetics). Our beautiful Mother is well within the parameters of Catholic Church law. Alongside all the Catholic devotions and talk of love, messages brim with dire warnings that computer chips will control peoples minds in the future and certain constellations are now taking unforeseen paths. That should give you a clue that you are on the wrong path. 2. I have asked you to give me examples of heresy in HLM but you ignore that and harp on obedience to the bishop. All wonderful recommendations. Seven Hills, Oh. I did not know rcspiritualdirection I have casorosendi.com (various languages) and primeraluz.org (Spanish only) lately many of my articles are being published in Brazil for some reason, so the Portuguese section is likely to grow a bit. Declaring the Church to be wrong/corrupt and going off in rants about it certainly conflicts with being virtuous. Wouldnt you think these are the blessed fruits of a true apparition? This challenge has been met with silence, with the exception of one person who selected some messages and included with them her own explanations as to their heretical content. We hear the Church when we follow Her official pronouncements. We are free to heed it or not heed it, as it is not a formal canonical command to obedience. I was taken aback by the rubbish that was in some of these messages. ..Jesus would embrace this Mission and would never discourage people from coming here to pray. reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating, https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/, The Real Marie Antoinette | feat. It is my patrimony from God. The messages against what the Church believes and teaches started from the very beginning of these false messages (Ive listed just a few elsewhere in this blog, together with the dates of the false messages). He was sucked into this apparition site and ministry. Thank you so much Kevin. Yes, if we use our free will to sin,we, in effect, tie Gods Hands. Evidently there is fuller need to elaborate further, Kevin. It was Easter, 1993, and the temperature was cold enough to keep the thick layer of snow that fell the previous night from melting. Holy Love Ministry - Heavenly Messages In 90 Languages - Translation . And, furthermore, this directly contradicts the 7/29/93 message above from Our Lady! This is a gossip piece with nothing related to the doctrine of the Catholic Church or its Scriptural interpretation. There is nothing in the 1983 Code of Canon Law that specifies such a process in these affairs (though the Code affects them). It is the Heart of the Eternal Father. Condemnation of what is said at HLM cannot happen canonically, for, in order for that to happen, Holy Love Ministries would have to manifest heresy. In the meantime I really cannot understand how this ministry that promotes. A condemnation would be spelled out as a condemnation. This is the man whose discernment about Holy Love ministries you want me to trust? I had come because if the appearance did occur I wanted to be there. Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. As quoted in the Summa, here are some errors in thinking which underlie false obedience, that is, obedience through excess: (1) Church hierarchy is absolute. Doctrine is doctrine no matter who is sharing it. Can. Her messages are all of holy love, and doing gods will. It is like the fruit put into the basket of love and humility. Bishop Lennon closed those churches without further study and doing a financial analysis, that the Vatican had to interfere. It made me feel special, especially because I was at such an impressionable age. All are Welcome at Maranatha Spring and Shrine - Home of Holy Love Ministries located at 37137 Butternut Ridge Rd, North Ridgeville, Ohio 44039, USA. Never was a true visionary told he or she did not have to obey Catholic authority. The full teachings of the our beautiful Faith are so often NOT being taught at all. It behooves each of us to be fortified in the knowledge of what our Faith really teaches. My reaction to that would of course be disagreement for what should be the obvious reason that a statement such as that is completely contradictory to Church teaching through the millenia, and can be looked up easily by opening ones Catechism, or childs Catechism, for that matter. 39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.. Von Hildebrand reiterates this. For this reason, in preparation for writing to you, I did some research on the Catholic understanding of teh virtue of obedience. @LizEst I could not go on the link to join the book club it doesnt work. Albert Drexel to help you comprehend this idea. He just doesnt like it. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. To be repulsed by Holy Love Ministries is to be repulsed by the true doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Interesting enough, it was also a no show for Marino. This is an example of what the devil gets out of false apparitions. 3221, have you actually studied the Churchs theology of private revelation? Jesus Is Always Present in His Humanity: Maximally in the Eucharist, St. Joseph Shows Us the Love & Dignity of Work. But, we dont consecrate ourselves to the Cross. Finally, by the end of 2014 the world will know the truth of a great many things including the authenticity of the Holy Love, as well as other apparitions that are currently misjudged. Whats wrong with your internal compass? Under investigation for what? When others disapprove of your participation here, remember Heaven approves. It is also best to keep the sarcastic tone to yourself, all right? It has not. He was obedient even to death on the crossand where He is, there also will His servant be. Resist him, firm in faith (1 Pet. We are all children of God and she wants to save everyone. They pray and love God. Thats all Im going to say, as I watch this conversation unfold with disbelief. I would advise you, as St Catherine of Siena was advised by God the Fathernot at HLM but in her Dialogues, which is a mystical classic of Catholicism, to keep your interior life within the circle of God and self-knowledge. god bless. So, since you cannot best me in this argument, your answer now is to encourage all to ignore me. His vocation was to be a husband and a father and he was neither of those things. I think theres a few things going on here with this person. What do you do? Zanics decision according to the Vatican, was not definitive in any way. The one place I can go today to be instructed in the depth of the Catholic Faith is Holy Love Ministries. Even those who attend Mass do not really know the Faith. Thanks be to God ~ the Most Holy Trinity and Mother Mary Most Holy! Have a nice day,Harr. No one is asking you to accept and believe in HLM. The devil has the ability to deceivewith cleverly-disguised religious apparitions, so the Catholic Church carefully evaluates such sites for discrepancies that conflict withScripture and Tradition. Be VERY alert. I hesitate to call it from the devil only because I think its equally possible, or even probable, that its simple a case of either an emotionally imbalanced woman (Sweeney) or a shrewd woman seeking notoriety and a very comfortable lifestyle. Not all are holy. People, please do the research. Yes, it is condemned. Also, check out Hildebran on the same topic. @LizEst and Kevin: Ive been sitting back and just reading your comments and the replies of 3221. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about the Catholic churches he unjustly closed, replete with canon law abuses so egregious that Rome overrode his decisions and rebuked him sharply? You will be looking for a canon law to cover the situation. (https://catholicexchange.com/2006/11/06/94475/ ) After an angry backlash of emails telling me how wrong I was, I promised never to write about alleged apparitions again. An exclusive, or even a predominant attention to these matters (especially apocalyptic ones), cannot help but produce an unbalanced spirituality.. This is true adorationnot idolatry. But the consciences of the saints told them to obey their bishops and/or superiors when they were unfairly treated or disciplined. At the risk of sounding condescending, in our Charity Id like to suggest that we all say a Hail Mary for her/him. After the above comes specific rulings in 4 parts (conveniently numbered): 1) Lennon declares Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not supernatural in origin. In general, if it is not church approved (Lourdes, Fatima, etc. The implication arouses a persecution motif and the commensurate emotions that go along with the motif. Its hard and very challenging. It both surprises me and saddens me to see HLM defenders remain adamant that somehow Lennons Decree was only a warning., The Decree states specifically that Lennon reviewed the theology behind HLM, consulted a theological expert, was directed by the Holy See to act definitively on this matter and then declared the claims to be constat de non supernaturalitate.. HLM does not encourage disobedience to legitimate Catholic authority. The Church is not a democracy; the Bishop doesnt owe you an explanation. Call it the Holy Spirit or my Guardian Angel, but I dont think this is a true Catholic organization. How sad that, even in the face of the most basic logic, many refuse to understand how dangerous it is to follow the serpentine path of these untruths. They are not under obligation to heed his advisement, unless the site is officially condemned by the Church. If we do not take the word of our bishop, we are in trouble. May the Holy Spirit guide all those who have commented here to see the Truth. I thought I read that the Bishop of Cleveland also closed about 50 churches? Here is a clear example of your biased opinion interpreting what HLM is saying. ), I think one should be hesitant in going there. Ive studied and practiced the Holy Love messages for over 25 years, and can assure you the apparitions there are authentic. HLM is the most exquisite display of the solid mystical theology of the Catholic Church. These would be the criteria of a true discernment and judgment.. O Holy Night by Josh Groban: Im still awaiting word from the Mother Teresa Center. They claim numerous miracles are occurring and special blessings are bestowed on all who come. Look at the fruits of the bishops catechesis for the last 40 years. As it has always been, all people of all faiths are welcome to join us in prayer and the peace that Heaven offers at this site.. daily Mass, rosary, weekly adoration and love of all is so frowned apron. One person wrote and said her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. Refuse to gossip or speak negatively about anyone, ever (Ephesians 4:29). Several members of Sweeneys small ministry became disillusioned and left.. In that video, attorney Charles Feliciano, diocesan lawyer for the Cleveland Diocese for many years, goes so far as to allude to murder not being beyond what this bishop and his minions would do. He has first hand experience of Bishop Lennons illegal and immoral practices and deeds. Be attentive. The bishop under whose jurisdiction Medjugorie was (or is) was disapproving of the apparitions there. Sure, the Church can be overly hard on mystics at times, but the authentic ones OBEYED anyway. Keep your eyes and heart open! Without a supernatural character, one does not have any reason to go to HLM. PrairieHawk, Good luck with your efforts here. This, my friends, is what he gets out of it: There will be a number of people who believed they were healed or their faith brought to life through Holy Love Ministries that, like a rebellious adolescents, will respond, We dont have to listen to the Church..
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