Paste as plain text instead, especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. $1700 Firm takes all. I will always love my altecs. Display as a link instead, They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. Altec Lansings Voice of the Theatre Speakers - audioXpress Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . bluesboy Powered by Invision Community. could you say more about your experience with jubs? i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. LOL.. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Add to cart. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. Pasted as rich text. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. I suggest a new Altec 902 from Great Plans Audio. sweet. It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. You cannot paste images directly. Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. You can post now and register later. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. heard them, though. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. Would the mod to your boards be tough? You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. ). I know that the new 2004's are rated at having a 450Hz crossover at a 6db slope, but previously, the "accepted" value was 400Hz or a bit lower like 375Hz. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. What do you recommend? This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. Naturally, keep all June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Please check the fields highlighted in red. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. very different. Your previous content has been restored. Best Offer: My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. ). A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. altec He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. It will work ok at 400 Hz. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. The passive Personally I don't like them. They are two ways, and I think they 'lose' some of the music that a good three way like the Klipschorn can prov Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! Your link has been automatically embedded. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. It's futile. You won't regret it! Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT Speakers - Altec horns Altec Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. Thanks for the info on your Klipschorn modded with tactrix mids. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. Altec Clear editor. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and Altec Paste as plain text instead, The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). I want him to try them out. Which midrange horn images the best Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I do NOT recommend that combination. However- By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . You can post now and register later. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair The sound is very good. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Electrovoice Aristocrat vs Heresy, vs Cornwall vs Klipschorn I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Altec Alternatives Article By Dan Schmalle - Enjoy the Music.com Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. yes It was built here. Powered by Invision Community. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? Upload or insert images from URL. Klipschorn vs Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. Posted January 20, 2005. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co Altec Model 19 vs . Klipschorn - The Klipsch Audio Community I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Comparing Altecs to We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. Cant do that with new stuff. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded The Khorn bass was better. Altec I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. I would stick with full fledged horns. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. They just disappear into the corners! I like hustling up nice horns at a good price and I'm really less concerned about the specific brand. He was thrilled. Subwoofer to match Klipsch La Scalas Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Hey! They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. Yeh. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch By Oops, looks like you forgot something. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Just something different often sounds better at first. Your previous content has been restored. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Bloody awesome info! The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. You'll have to listen for yourself and see what "does it" for you. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Both companies make speakers lots of people like. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. I know of several people who have made than change. In a graph some of us have seen, they appear to be down 5dB at about 34 Hz, with a narrow, anomalous little dip at 60 Hz in the Klipsch anechoic chamber, but the chamber only has sidewall support out to about 4 feet. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. I say LaScala, or Klipschorn because you say 400 horn. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. Just a fun debate for me. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Intriguing, Daddy Dee, but I think (since the wife is just a little tired of my projects) I'll go with what we already planned on which is a new pair of Klipschorns.unless you think getting an older pair of Khorns and modding it like you did with the Tractrix is really the way to go? So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. You cannot paste images directly. So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. Upload or insert images from URL. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. would love to hear it. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. Klipschorn mid range upgrade Vintage Beat: The Altec Lansing Thank you, man! The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. For two rather Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. Altec The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. this can result in this site earning a commission. Just spent all day comparing Tannoy 15'' Gold, JBL 4430, Altec We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. All of which I've already said in this thread. Are they really that different??? ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. 19 thread, []. Although I have had Khorns sound good It would have to be mounted externally. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. ). Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Your link has been automatically embedded. Here's the 1953 plans. Altec exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best Price: US $4,000.00. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. Be sure to try several listening locations. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. They all sound good and they're all different. Upload or insert images from URL. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. No mean feat. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Just sent an email to my friend. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Upload or insert images from URL. The original K55 is still good enough though. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there.
