Praise be to God and the Lamb!! What follows is a thesis on the controversial doctrine from the 19th century referred to as multiple mortal probations, which fell out of favor along with Adam-God. the doctrine that has circulated these recent events. Those who join are in serious jeopardy of losing their membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and also their eternal life, or exaltation, in the Celestial Kingdom of God. The is it confuses the radical contingency Mormon theology grants God in his being (rather than being a necessary being) with a God whodoesfall. This can be meant spiritually or physically this two sides mirror each other. This doctrine also brings peace to my soul and increases my love and respect for our Heavenly Father and Mother and our Savior, Jesus Christ. Perhaps the clearest example of this is a statement recorded by Nauvoo saint, George Laub. News. He has some ideas that are popular among Snufferites (such as some version of multiple mortal probations). I thank you and all of those who are trying to teach about Multiple Probation. Receive ye, therefore, my law. Once this one is done, I will be satisfied with whatever modest reward it qualifies me for. Even Christ talked about this principle to Simon and he also showed with his own example that he was acting under the law of baptism. Im so grateful for you, Greg, Matt and Julie for your conviction and witnesses of the Truth! I do not hold a If mortal probations, then individuals get better opportunity. In this world of learning I can progress to 6th grade, and then continue on through junior high and high school and graduate. I like your point about second chances for wayward souls. The thought that there could be no progression after judgment felt to contrast DRAFT. In D&C 132:55 where the Lord is speaking of Joseph Smith he says, and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundred-fold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds. It appears to me that children, and crowns of eternal lives are two different things. The LDS Church declined to comment on Snuffer or his movement, but an internal 2015 presentation to the faith's apostles (as provided by the website MormonLeaks) lists the Sandy attorney . It lasted several weeks. They witness to the same insights I have also had on the matter. Having experienced the intense glory of Gods Daybell seems to have emphasized the idea of a Millennial Church that was being formed under his direction: The LDS church is still God's church, but the Church of the Firstborn, this. When I first came upon the doctrine of multiple probations I said There is NO WAY I wanted to live another life like the one I was living now not that its been horrible but very Hard. And no man knoweth of his ways save it be revealed unto him; wherefore, brethren, despise not the revelations of God. Jacob 4:8. That's the gist of it. I dont necessarily have all the answers there. And we do have to think about possibilities, because eventually it leads to more firm answers, but we needn't think that every thing we think is automatically true. May we find Him now. various sects of Christianity as a true and practical doctrine, as evidenced by I cannot share this knowledge with my family yet because they are so narrow-minded. and forms participate in forms) This form of Elijahness (which is to be distinguished from the individual Elijah) is reincarnated in that many individuals can participate in this form. to use samsung voice input you need to allow the appear on top permission in settings s21 (And there are multiple forms - the form of being human, the form of being Jewish, the form of being a prophet, etc. This is a straight forward interpretation of the standard collated version of the sermon most often circulated, but it's made even clearer by George Laub journal summary. I remember feeling a heavy emotion even as a very young person that I would now call despair, when I first learned this. Pamee, you have a wonderful heart and testimony. I'm not convinced that we know the basis for this train of thought (which of course not all the brethren agreed with) However it's certainly very plausible that it's from these events that Brigham developed his theology - possibly due to ambiguity in the original events. Given George Laub's explicit summary of the King Follett sermon and the short time between JS' death and these ordinations performed in the Nauvoo period, it seems very likely that the doctrine underlying the ordinations originated with JS. Erika, these are great questions. I was cautious at first with excitement, but, put it on a shelf. Another George Laub journal entry on JS' Sermon In the Grove seems to confirm that this is how Laub understood it. When your book came out with Greg I was excited to read it and I did several times. I see and feel Gods mercy and love for his children in the doctrine. In other words the only people that the Lord doesnt save eventually are those who DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED. 2:43 p.m. John Thomas is conducting cross . Then one early morning between 3-4am I was told by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ this very Doctrine of Multiple Probations, I was shown much about my Previous Lives and how extensive those lives had been. I realize that is heretical and blasphemous to TBM ears, butit makes way more sense to me than what the church proposes. And they who remain shall also be quickened; nevertheless, they shall return again to their own place [the telestial kingdom where they now live], to enjoy that which they are willing to receive, because they were not willing to enjoy that which they might have received.". presence which left him fallen to the ground, he was able to declare to alteration of what seems to be the once purer doctrine taught long ago. We know that there is opposition in all things. doctrine has been turned into something very different than what has been made For me, if I get caught in thinking that something I say or do will be that which saves or enlightens you, I am in dangerous territory. I see that I am at the beginning of a long path of understanding. I couldn't find it. I do so realizing it could be the very thing that causes estrangement from my family, friends, and my church. Considering the modern Mormon understanding of the titles Jehovah and Elohim didn't develop until long after Brigham Young, it is understandable that he could have developed his own interpretation of Micheal, Jehovah and Elohim. Greg pointed out another of these natural and likely divine reminders and shadows to me, in the daily rising and setting of the sun. Or a more default reading that doesn't inject as much into the text is simply those who live in a telestial way get rewarded with the same. MARIA, Your email address will not be published. Though I was a member of the church since I was young, I can relate to your experience. Jenimarie, I love your experience and witness. myself that this doctrine is in fact, not necessary to know for my salvation, millions of people from around the world are part of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints . While belief in this doctrine is unpopular in the Christian world at this time, I would like to share some of the ways it has been a blessing to me. ??? Thanks for sharing Eric! Although it had to be put on a shelf for a year or so when I first heard about it, the Fringe Doctrine of Multiple Mortal Probations has answered many of my questions about Christ, our Father and Mother, the Noble and Great Ones, the 144,000, the Olympians, Prophets of Old and of Latter Days, and the hope that my friends and family members still have if they choose not to forgive themselves and progress in THIS life! After this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. I know many people think this is false doctrine and I did put myself in their shoes to understand where they were coming fromI could see what they were trying to say, but the fruits werent lining up. 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also. It j u s t makes sense. Just being made perfect from the get-go isn't something special. We will be free to choose to be with those we love, who also want to be with us. We aren't taught "Multiple Mortal Probation" in the Church because it is not true. Hi. I love truth wherever it is found. We say that one has to go to the grave to be born again in Christ. In my experience the most important point of the discussion here, which I believe to be among earnest seekers of truth, is being lightly treated by those on this forum but clearly illustrated in your comment. I must continually ask myself the question, Who am I to believe that Gods work is dependent on my understanding, teaching and attempting to enlighten the unenlightened? I must also daily keep in mind my own nothingness and utter reliance on The Savior of The World (2 Nephi 4). The Mormon belief that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three separate people who are one in their mission to bring about the salvation of all mankind. Two of the women Smith secretly married as plural wives in the 1840s said that he privately affirmed reincarnation. With this possible equivalency between Micheal and the Holy Ghost in mind and JS' probable belief that all were to serve as Holy Ghosts prior to being Christs, JS likely believed the Nauvoo endowment was a representation of one stage of what each heir of the celestial kingdom was to pass through in their climb up the ladder of exaltation. That is a place of their glory or what they're willing to accept. And as you mention that we are progressing to good or evil with every new morning the words of the philosopher Heidegger come into my mind. That was a Wow moment! I want to move forward and progress to the next grade. I probably just need to read a book about it. JS taught many times that Michael stood next to Christ in authority, and he also taught that Elohim was the head of the Gods (i.e. Choose one innovative idea the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced in the last 10 years. Agency took on a whole new meaning. Also, I defer to board rules and won't discuss the specifics of the endowment, but there is a very strong implication in there that, at the very least, resurrected beings can shed their resurrected forms somehow and experience another mortal probation. I can choose to end my learning and education then or I have the agency to continue onto college and graduate school. You know Eric its interesting to me how much i have loved James Allen for so many years and how you were also inspired by him. Which is not what actually happens. [i] Most Christians believe in the binary afterlife of heaven or hell. I asked the spirit and he said only once before. Oh how I love you and Julie and all that I have learned from you both!! Like another point of view on the same thing. Thank you so very much for your great insight and belief in God and the scriptures!! I believe even to the point that if I see an extra dark effort to oppose something then it must be very significant. This understanding of Multiple Probations, has validated and set my soul free of the ignorance. It "feels" more true to me than most of Christianity's "one and done" model. "And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? At best it just means the Holy Ghost doesn't have a body and will one day, will die, and will be resurrected. It's a Mormon version of reincarnation, where a single spirit goes through several different turns on earth before moving on to the afterlife. Multiple Mortal Probation Archives - Latter-day Commentary - Last Days - Signs of the Times Multiple Mortal Probation You Have Been Here Before 50 Comments / Doctrine, Mormon culture, Personal Revelation / By Tim Malone / May 3, 2013 Some of my regular readers are going to be mad at me. My second Temple Marriage was to a man who had spiritual gifts, such as seeing, hearing, and speaking to those beyond the veil. When I was introduced to this topic of multiple mortal probations several years ago it just made sense. Thanks for responding! For me, if I get caught in thinking that something I say or do will be that which saves or enlightens you, I am in dangerous territory. This implications started with JS' apparent teaching that God the Father was a Christ during his mortal probation. felt very final[i]. Even though we were sealed in the temple, it is only upon the condition of righteousness of the individual that the sealing will be valid. Couldnt we just come again and again until we got it right? James J. Strang is probably one of the lesser-known claimants in the succession crisis following the death of the Prophet Joseph Smith, the first president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saintssometimes inadvertently called the Mormon Church. [a] The Triumph and Glory of the Lamb: Doctrine and Covenants 76 in Its Historical Context Her experience helps to counter some of the false beliefs we have about suicide. Serve. What is it? Please watch for Part 2 of this theme by Matt Palmer to be released in the next couple days, and Part 3 by Greg Christiansen a couple days thereafter. through contrasts. JS also gave more info about this path to exaltation, which is that the Holy Ghost, the third member in the Godhead, was going to serve as a Christ. So for example Quinn's claim that the three degrees of glory arises from the three levels (places) of emanation in Plotinus that was in the culture around Joseph requires that Joseph interpret this in very non-Platonic ways. One of the questions that has bothered me since I was very young is: How did it all start? What, when, and to whom those truths could come was left open-ended. Knowing myself well enough to know that I would never have agreed to such a thing knowing my own weaknesses all too well..and having been able to learn from on high many amazing things in temple service..i began to question the plan as it was being taught every sunday..my questions as a spiritually gifted woman were met mostly with disdain amidst the patriarchy and toxic perfectionism of many members through no fault of their own but through false Traditions that have been passed down and incomplete doctrines. Given that the content of JS' revelations usually coincide with questions and subjects he is interested in at the time, my best guess is that this interpretation of 88 is probably a stretch. It's my guess that JS believed that heirs of the Celestial Kingdom would not only serve as Christs, but first they would serve as Holy Ghosts. Now of course I think Brigham came to understand it the way you suggest. It's very hard, if not impossible, to establish causation. Another example comes as I try to understand the meaning of eternal lives. "sooner or later; they will be thrown back to the native element from which they originated, to be worked over again, and be prepared to enjoy some sort of a kingdom (glory)." I am forever grateful to you both and for your ability to enlighten ME!! Then meeting you several years ago in Idaho, i feel our paths have crossed before. So beautiful and strong words that I saw citated by you and Greg this dynamic of dying and be born again. deep questions about the eternities and the knowledge satisfied our questions The answers are there if you seek them from the Lord and in His timing. We are all blessed! Thank you for sharing your witness Cheryl!
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