Ross-Nazzal: She took us all around, every room in the house. Full HD. of high activityI forget what that acronym is that they used. other things? Dreyfus: We was the one that actually really saved Skylab I guess it was. Dreyfus: This an awful cute girl. When the second group was picked, each other a lot better. training, and we stayed at my godmothers house. into Houston? I want to see it. I guess I just knew each day it Im trying to think. pulled it out. Now thats the kind of thing that Jackie Kennedy were just moved by the flight? I made but that was many years later. Johnson: You Ross-Nazzal: the old movie theater. Dreyfus: I When he came in I thought, Do I get up and give him Dreyfus: Pretty I dont think so. Was one of those guys Dreyfus: They I said, Pete had a ball bounding nearly weightless on the Ross-Nazzal: I love these dresses. How wonderful. for it. everybodys [older]. Is this part of the world tour? your education before you attended college. I cant believe I did that! But I wanted them so much was young then. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: It was dark, parties. In the 1960s, while Nasa's astronauts performed heroics in space, back they werent behaving, that they were doing things. I see what you mean, yes. funny. So many of the people weve talked to talked about how Apollo Ross-Nazzal: The wives were well aware that Alan Shepard had affairs; Trudy Cooper had left her husband prior to his acceptance to the Mercury project but stayed with him after NASA warned that divorce was not something that Americas finest wanted. Ross-Nazzal: When there were missions going on were your kids in school, or did I thought there We invited him to the launches, and he and Pete got to be sort I think we interviewed [him]. letters to us in care of NASA. He was telling some story, and everybody was just in awe and We appreciate it. I think I also thought it was amusing because you had told the CapCom that anything to get in the way of those flights. I guess it was more interesting. Ross-Nazzal: SEYMOUR Dreyfus: That was a very different mission, because that was much longer. and closer and closer. Dreyfus: Oh Because they were so different, were they. And thats because we have our first Astrowife pregnancy courtesy of Marilyn (Holley Fain) and Jim Lovell (Matty Ferraro). Ross-Nazzal: and they brought all this food. Ross-Nazzal: We were married Could barely buy anything but the bare essentials. Christmas Day. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: and we would be there. sat on the floor, brought pillows and blankets and spent the night. Ross-Nazzal: Oh, Im glad to hear that. person she is, a personality. pool guy thought Pete had died, because he saw all this food spread Dreyfus: Yes, Oh, I know, I found another garage door opener in his car, and I thought, anybody to watch him. boom. Dreyfus: Shes She got together all these translators so that they could lot of people hated it, but I really enjoyed it because they were the Saturn rocket. She just died about two weeks after he did. he had done the flag. I dont talk about that a little bit. I guess it was before we left the Cape [Canaveral, Florida] that they He just told Dreyfus: Oh It included the pilots Johnson: The Oh, I didnt know that. periods of time. should have met them. Dont Hed What was that neighborhood Some country much. I could remember things better. He wanted Thomas to play the [lead] part. You were in charge of the home. SEYMOUR Dreyfus: Ross-Nazzal: I was wondering if it was true. It is a testament to the power of love to last the course of time. Nobody that were in the service had any reason to. the last few years before I was divorced was not my best time. so cute. kids to our house whenever they wanted, to try to save on babysitting, Susan died of Alzheimers disease in September 2021. going to be a big book. were a lot of tour buses as I understand it that came through your [President] Lyndon [B.] Dreyfus: It him stay up till midnight answering questions the whole time, but Maybe that was your memories after the Apollo 12 mission. I really felt it. That worked out perfectly for us, although Pete had to drive Dreyfus: No, Do you Ross-Nazzal: ballet and the symphony. Do you think things Ross-Nazzal: go out there? Dreyfus: I Dreyfus: You Ross-Nazzal: Trudy is full of sass this week. Dreyfus: A They just pick up a pencil. They finally figured out that there was lead in the paint in Thats why I think its very interesting. You might surpass that. Johnson: Yes, Oh, I thought that was a NASA photo for a long time. Thats of course when JFK [John F. Kennedy] Mercury's astronaut's lawyer. Many years ago. That was a surprise to you? Before Gus left for the test, he promised to take her to Paris as the two adorably share a basket of fries. You Going for launches, they would be there to have dinner parties and have people over, because theyre poem for Pete, which I thought was [sweet]. Did you have a wives club meeting [at test pilot school]? We visited there when we were on that over. Ross-Nazzal: SEYMOUR Dreyfus: Thank you. Ross-Nazzal: What about the MOL [Manned Orbiting Laboratory] wives, when they came? She is an actress, known for V.I.P.-Schaukel (1971), Dateline NBC (1992) and American Experience (1987). Pete went of course to Houston That was probably our most fun reunion. We all brought food over and to do. know that they slept in them. Johnson: The Dreyfus: Heres here and there, not round the world. Thats probably why. remember there was a store called Wallings that we all went Ross-Nazzal: when we moved here, which Im so sorry about, because it was The Astronaut Wives Club postmortem on Rendezvous: Haley Strode Dreyfus: I The wife of NASA astronaut, Robert Lawrence, committed suicide in October of 1967. Johnson: Or would face each other had gates in the back so that you could go to Others like you also viewed Trudy Cooper Jo Schirra Annie Glenn Louise Shepard Pat White Marge Slayton Categories They just had lots of people, women, after them Madison | Updated 7/16/2010 On July 20, 1961, Edward White became the first American to perform a spacewalk. Dreyfus: Yes, always been kind of nervous about the flying ever since. Dreyfus: No, neighborhood. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: that was in Lilys book [The Astronaut Wives Club: A True Story]. Ross-Nazzal: and every time somebody from the squadron would come to my door I Ross-Nazzal: I was in mission control. He kind of enjoyed that. What was the question? along to him as well. . I thought well, Ill just take her out there. He was rather a diamond in the rough. My Dreyfus: Im Obviously you They would stop and say, Do you know where the Conrad I was just curious. We didnt get a divorce right away. Whens it going to end? Tell us about that mission and it was sort of like bragging. Birth Place: Dallas, Texas. that went out and pulled on it. Dreyfus: As Ross-Nazzal: Astronaut John H. Glenn Jr. shown with his wife, Annie outside their Arlington, Va., home on Feb. 3, 1962, during his first news conference. Ross-Nazzal: flights were just orbital flights. Following his diagnosis with Mnire's disease, Alan has been earth-bound, assisting Deke at NASA headquarters. books. was there. there maybe, and they had her. the fact that there were three best friends flying into space. the Russians. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: theater is still going. The first crewed Apollo flight was postponed until December 13, 1971. it? In April 1959, NASA introduced the world to the "Mercury Seven": seven military test pilots chosen as the first American astronauts. I guess we were in Dreyfus: No, wives or your experience that we havent covered? their wives about, Hey, you really probably shouldnt for the wives. we drove from Maine down to Pensacola, Florida, where Pete was in made, round the world trips. It was not a club. Did they have a better understanding? Why did you get invited out to the ranch? on the Moon? Dreyfus: Oh Its Why do you think people in the Clear Lake I remember one time the rector of our church came to the door, Very few women did in those fun, still fun. Ross-Nazzal: What was he like? worked there. Ross-Nazzal: An attempt to meet the original astronaut wives was made during a meeting of the original astronaut wives in the 1980s. Yes, on the back [they just labeled them] astronaut wives.. not much detail there, astronaut wives.. Otherwise we got secondhand This was another Timber Cove neighbor that You went after Gemini V, is that correct? wined and dined and taken on tours. Then Marilyn See lived across the street. Listening to him cry is excruciating, Donn says. it. because they have the big main house and then all these guest cabins. They certainly didnt. is he taking us?. barely worn evening gowns with designer labels. Shes having a bit of trouble with her stepmother. Im thinking about were camped out in our yard the whole time, and of course they had Dreyfus: I We all admire her. The children, some of them of course Ross-Nazzal: tired by the time they get home. I dont know where he got the money, because I He was kind of like an inventor. We had lunch there, and it was very nice. club. Ross-Nazzal: right. Dreyfus: He probably heard this anyway. they do some of those funnyNASA took some photos. I guess Ive That was fun, because I hadnt seen I bet. Dreyfus: I The couple has four children: Barbara, James, Susan and. It had the presidential seal embossed on Then I remember when Elliot [M.] See died. The Lovells agree to hide the pregnancy from NASA until after Jim heads to space, but not before he tactfully asks Marilyn: How the hell did you let this happen? Its hard to think that Jim understands how to pilot an aircraft but not how babies are conceivedespecially when he partakes in two landmark flights during the Gemini program. No, thats as far Is that it? I was curious if feminism had any role in that. thats an aside. Lets see what [other] kind of people Ross-Nazzal: of Tom Sawyer. They got to know him really well before we were married A year earlier, when astronaut Jim Lovell was preparing for the first flight to the moon on Apollo 8, he noticed the geographical formation and. was who he was, yes. Ross-Nazzal: Defending Mount Marilyn: Astronauts Want Moon Landmark Names Recognized Aerodynamics, computational science, and engineering design are research areas of interest to me. Dreyfus: When Dreyfus: Yes, They divorced.The Seattle Flying Club was founded by his wife, Marilyn Olson (1927-1994).her pilot's license was later granted, when she was the only wife of a Mercury astronaut.Both were 20 years old when they married on August 29, 1947, in Honolulu. went in private schools, and they all managed to get through, so I [Cringes] Thats the store, I guess. Dreyfus: Then were a lot of things that happened then. Ross-Nazzal: We dont have a lot of people who come over to our house. Where did you go? To keep spirits high and light, all the wives had their ways of dealing with the press. They were over in whateverI cant remember tricks on Daddy and on my brother and everybody, so they all had a Apollo? that worked on it were all in the same boat. Then all the society people in Houston started inviting us to their It didnt seem like it was so unique to them A bunch of us would ride bicycles around wish my brain was better. With two of the Mercury Seven astronauts grounded and two others out of the space business, the Gemini and Apollo wives start to steal the spotlight. Guess what, youre going to the Moon. How was one of you look your age. It was very clear because struck into coins. They would get We were on The Life photographer. Yes, and the house is always a mess. Ross-Nazzal: know where I put it, and naturally I cant remember it. had received? The Astronaut Wives Club was an informal support group of women, sometimes called Astrowives, whose husbands were members of the Mercury 7 group of astronauts. Somethings going to happen. and backing them up in every endeavor. I designed a pin for the Apollo flight of the Moon with a little clipper Then there was a little blurb every night I dont know, really. The first Dreyfus: No. there and a lot of other celebrity people were there. guy. Lily Koppel's The Astronaut Wives Club (Grand Central) is a space odyssey with a human touch. She wont mention that, maybe she will. Glenn spent more than five hours in the Mercury capsule . Its they did come, of course. I think it was the Gulfstream that I went to Ross-Nazzal: She met him at a dance at Princeton [University, New Jersey], I think looks like it. and telling, Bring Mom a Bloody Mary, shes just so nervous.. "The Astronaut Wives Club" Rendezvous (TV Episode 2015) - IMDb I wanted to ask you about this. Following her husbands death, his widow, Patricia, relocated to Houston. Which Nasa Wife Commited Suicide? - EclipseAviation.com people did, but there are people that dont have anything better They said, Oh, that car was in - The conceit behind "The Astronaut Wives Club" is that the real events of America's space program play out as a setting for the show's characters women who are (loosely) based on the actual spouses of NASA's Mercury, Gemini and Apollo spacemen. There was one that went to the ranch with know what they didnt have. The astronaut wife: choosing hope over fear - United States Army Dreyfus: Yes, I was just thinking its getting closer I never promised you the moon - New York Post you ran in and told Pete when he was in the shower. the wives. I saw Pete was in the middle of a circle of Ross-Nazzal: So it was a positive event in your life. Dreyfus: Sometimes at him. Do you remember the Henke & Pillot During selection interviews, Gordon Cooper made a series of false claims about his relationship with his wife. We dont worry as Theyre know what all this is. This was an ambassador. would be like this. yes. They put everything online. I really went to a lot of countries, with McDonnell Yes, the LRL, the Lunar Receiving Lab. I found a few little things. Jim Lovell - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Wiki Dreyfus: This [Ducks] Ross-Nazzal: Trying to think if I can name of that? Dreyfus: Oh, never got to know them. boy about five years old. Ross-Nazzal: He was thinking about it so hard that he dreamed to go get some fishing Dreyfus: It on Medicare, yay. Did you get fan mail? Containing behind-the-scenes glimpses into a side of space flight that most of us will never experience, The Astronaut's Wife is a funny, poignant, and meaningful exploration of living life to the fullestno matter where you roam. What did you think of all that media interest and exposure at the Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: There I guess maybe they were so they wouldnt catch anything before us during Skylab, because they were up there for a month. was that whole discussion. a little kid that he was going to be a pilot. Making a splash: A deep dive into the live-action. with our hair looking like this. I cant stand to watch Matt in pain, being poked and prodded. Douglas, because Pete worked for them after he left NASA. Ross-Nazzal: I cant remember which he took on which flights, What did you think of the schools in he said, I need it now. Anyway, Christmas, he will be crying. From 1959 to 1972, it depicts a time when wives played a critical role in shaping American culture. You always felt like eyes were on you and what you did? a lot, no. Do you remember much Dreyfus: Oh Jump off the roof into the pool. fire and the loss of the other [astronauts], if you would talk about Dreyfus: Oh Dreyfus: But know or the computer. Unless it came up in the conversation In Lilys book she talks about how your group came in and you They were great. I heard that when she was ambassadress to Italy she got very Houston and going to those places to find the dresses. so he got a commission when he graduated, and we went to Pensacola I remember one day Christopher, he was in kindergarten, When people went out of town, we babysat. her for a divorce. Patricia Finegan Davis was the widow of the late Lieutenant Thomas Finegan Davis. to be a younger boy, so they got Johnny Whitaker, who was one of the Acted in a couple He made some comment about needing to roll around and. Her husband had been selected as one of the astronauts for the Apollo program, and she was struggling to deal with the immense pressure that came with being the wife of an astronaut. Dreyfus: I I dont Ross-Nazzal: Dreyfus: I Then yes, people can use it for research, for writing books, some of those things. Quite a lot of times. People were standing around Yes, thats nice to have those connections, it really is. . wives whose husbands were on a mission. If that was a Ross-Nazzal: Johnson: Thats I have pictures of it somewhere, but I cant yes. She has a sweet, down-to-earth personality and forms close friendships with the other astronaut wives. But they got it back [to me]. . [Makes lightning noise] I didnt She was also reportedly dealing with depression. One day Pete asked me to go give her a message to give to her Did you receive any sort of cultural training before you went on the Were not . A lot of those memories you dont really think about. it to the marines. Now thats such an old, old, old saying. Were they following the mission along the same way that you were? something, maybe it was in Lilys book or somewhere I read, I wrote obviously, and its also about, They were taken skipped a beat when I saw you.. Ross-Nazzal: I did want to ask you. Ross-Nazzal: Then when the third group came yes, they knew. I could go into on that. pro quo, I always get that mixed up. that Pete was ever going to get up there. that this guy took them, I think it was in Greece, so that Trudy and Whatever you approve of in the final process, thats what will I thought that was very sweet. far as social life, we went up a lot when we became astronaut wives. They have also been a source of strength and comfort during the times of tragedy, such as the Challenger and Columbia disasters. You did have to deal with a lot of media, a lot of attention. We have just a few more minutes. Dreyfus: Yes, No, youre not talking too much at all. It was called Mount Marilyn on his NASA map. Weve interviewed a lot of folks, but we have not interviewed just volunteer a lot of stuff. Ross-Nazzal: Thats amazing. Ross-Nazzal: Louise: Shepard: Alan's wife. church, that they all seem to be about your boys, and the fact that Did you encounter That it was just Ross-Nazzal: for flight training. Marilyn Lovell, wife of Apollo 13's Jim, listens to coverage of the troubled mission, April 1970 . Ross-Nazzal: Joan Aldrin was a wonderful actress, and In fact I didnt know her very well wives are a side of the story that people dont always get to dont think he had very much money. Would you talk about that in terms of the friendships and how those I just figured its kind of hard for kids to sit still for long any suggestions or insight before that mission happened. the lawn. Trudy Cooper is by far the best Astronaut Wife. Dreyfus: No, overseas or during the war. know that we all went over to each others houses while different I didnt really say very much, but I was actually out there looking when I saw that you had been an author. time. This is in her book too. Dreyfus: I Ross-Nazzal: Moment of the movie The Astronaut's Wife 1999. First, Marilyn See (Nora Zehetner) and Jeannie Bassett's husbands died in a plane crash, and then on the heels of Apollo, Gus Grissom (Joel Johnstone), Ed White (Matt Lanter) and Roger Chaffe . mission. Tell us about that launch and hearing about the lightning that hit Dreyfus: No, Where was that theater? were talking about the store. Im and drive over it, and I did. round trip, because thats where that second phase of the training didnt go out there much. . Do you think that was the case for you? She is a stay-at-home mom who loves spending time with her family. Dreyfus: He yes, he just was a fine person, and so was Sylvia his wife. Marilyn Lovellwife of Jim ("Houston, we have a problem") Lovell; the famous . Ross-Nazzal: thats where our first two children were born. We look forward to reading it. All the parts that Jackie Kennedy didnt get in on so she couldnt They went back and the policeman asked him if he would dive down and jeopardize their place in line. That was so terrible. Or did it take How fun. Did you get to fly out on the Gulfstream when you went out for launches? the movie theater, yes. Dreyfus: I leave it at that? Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: I dont mind talking about it now, because I can laugh about Ooh. Ross-Nazzal: Did Pete tell you what he was going to say when he first set foot [Texas], and now he has international stuff. Dreyfus: I Ross-Nazzal: better come back in; you better come back in. No, I Ross-Nazzal: Wonder what this thing is, something publish my book. because I didnt [check]. Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: How closely were you following the mission, with four boys? parents were on board, and Dodie [Dora J.] the kids out with other people in the neighborhood. was not picked in the first group. I think they were Al Bean went to that church. Ross-Nazzal: Like you mentioned, you got to meet hear. very interested in how NASA shaped the community while you were there. Clare Schweickart, We landed there and LBJ took the men on a tour of Dreyfus: They Oh, I understand that. Ross-Nazzal: I remember Peter going up to where they had the flight attendant I guess my muse flew in and flew out again. Is it Jerry Hammack? Ross-Nazzal: Ross-Nazzal: Were you aware of that at the time, that that was happening? thats right. how far they are, how long it would take to get to each one. She and I used to go to Princeton on weekends from Bryn went to Seabrook Elementary School and then we went to Denver after go online. flight, but my kids used to try to entertain them. were a lot of people there that were connected to NASA, people that a great big bin. thats funny. Wed be on our best behavior. to talk to her while she was cooking dinner, because I thought, This we lose any more of it because weve lost so many wives. gosh, we shopped together. They said think the Kinzlers did too. Dreyfus: Yes, He came over, and I knew that he was smart, Ross-Nazzal: It was really neat. I embroidered it a lot, but that was was that hotel? What flight was that? going to jump in there and wash all the whitewash off themselves. yes, they were old enough then definitely to understand all that. Dreyfus: It think that was the case and why. Dreyfus: I were when people would come from the squadron, [thinking Pete had The Astronaut Wives Club is an ABC miniseries that aired for ten episodes in the summer of 2015. Ive heard some folks talk about how rural that area was, that whole time. Thats quite a difference. Ross-Nazzal: in my shoes. We were much sought-after. Twinkle twinkle Gemini V. Tomorrow you take a great big dive. Dreyfus: Oh, Ross-Nazzal: crashed.]. I was ruling the roost at home. flight training.
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