Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. They are total bs. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? We lived close to one another. This video is currently unavailable. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. I hope she rots in hell. Required fields are marked *. Meticulous primping. Look into it. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Rather, Im conservative when it comes to potential disagreement with the jury: I wasnt there to see/hear evidence and to declare theyre wrong! Sad discovery. Just saying. Not gender neutral. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Rorrer v. Nicholas, Civil Action 19-cv-01398-GEKP - Casetext The state police dropped him as a suspect. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Great catch. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. A documentary on Youtube Judges for Justice shows a clear case of evidence tampering with regard to the hair. Had he for some reason been murderously angry with, or bitter towards, Mrs K, why kill his baby? Ep 205 - Clair Hour 1: Black or White TV-MA | 53 MINS | 2020 Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Most damning of all the evidence is the hair which was DNA matched to Rorrer which was instrumental in her conviction. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. I dont think so. Patricia Rorrer: An Update - Forensic Files Now . . It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? This is all BS.She did it. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Book her. This article is little more than fiction. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? None. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Patricia is a evil monster. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. 1994 double-murder case returns to Lehigh County Court - lehighvalleylive They are a joke. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. You seem to have a fragile ego. While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven). The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Chris and Fatima investigate the case of Patricia Rorrer, who is in prison for brutally murdering her former boyfriend's wife and baby out of spite; her lawyers claim that she was . They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. The first rule of a murder is motive. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Some people are just monsters. All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. When Andy Katrinak comes home to find his wife and infant son gone, he summons the police and tells them he believes they have been abducted, and he suspects his ex-girlfriend Patty Rorrer might be involved. With Joann Katrinak, Alex Katrinak, Patricia Rorrer. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. February 8, 2020. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. . And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Jealousy was the motive. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Vonda Smith: An Unexpected Twist . Its never been made clear. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. How so? Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know? Why not question some of this evidence? They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Why? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Especially mice! After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. I dont even know its Christmas.. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. The District Attorney got this one right. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Keep up your delusions. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. Yeah, no. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Patricia Rorrer - Wrongful Conviction, Innocent, Nonprofit That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. State: Oklahoma. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. Hair we go. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? It makes me sick. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Both were deceased. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. You know whats interesting? I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . I noticed quite a few errors myself. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. This was the reality for 58-year-old Patricia Rorrer, who is currently serving life in prison at Muncy State Correctional Institution (SCI) in Pennsylvania. I certainly dont consider its more likely the victims husbands the perp than Rorrer, as has been suggested, leaving Rorrer or a stranger. I agree that the putative motive is relatively weak (though motive is ultimately subjective and theres no accounting for anger, bitterness, jealousy etc) and to convict on that substantially would be absurd. Media galore. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Docket at pp. Kidnapped and killed? The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Hoist by my own petard! Clifford: I cant offer anything remotely novel or incisive. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Omg so well put! Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Joann and Alex Katrinak: Still No Justice (Update) The victims vanished on December 15. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. The "Wrong Man" team explores whether Vonda may have been wrongfully convicted. So, lets take your response one step at a time. But Patricia had moved from Pennsylvania years ago, and she'd started her own family in North Carolina. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. A correction to the comment above. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. 51min. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. It's been more than 20 years since Patricia Rorrer was convicted of killing her ex-boyfriend's wife, Joann. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Watching this case on tv again today, I returned to this site and noted: I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Weak wages. Lawyer: New evidence in 1994 killings of woman, infant On December 14, 2020, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied Ms. Rorrer's petition for allowance of appeal, concluding her state appellate proceedings. After . While most of the documentaries come out as reinforcing her guilt, albeit most of them giving differing accounts of the speculation which was presented at her trial, some going even further by showing scenes that were offered as theories at her trial, as FACT. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison (TV Movie 2017) - IMDb So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: Claps! Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. Nope. Convenient Suspect: A Wrongful Conviction In The Murder In Lehigh Creating your profile on CaseMine allows you to build your network with fellow lawyers and prospective clients. Answer 1 of 3: My Thai wife put her foot down - despite Covid-19 were are going sightseeing, or else. I cant lose them, he told the media. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Having watched and read all that has been available, I feel very strongly, that a grave error has been perpetrated by the law authorities. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Its barely visible in the picture. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! I have been following this case for a very long time, watching nearly all the available documentaries and have also read the book, Convenient Suspect, by Tammy Mal as well as acquiring a great deal of information which has emerged since the trial with regard to this case. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? 1 talking about this. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. No explanation given. What evidence is there she actually left the state? But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. Traupman died in 2016. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. I very much doubt you are. And I have absolutely no sympathy. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. There are innocent people in prison. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. There appears to be evidence of her disturbed thinking shortly prior to the event (inc her stating she knows who the perp was shortly after but would not identify because its her?) How would an intruder find it? I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Patricia Rorrer Self - Suspect (archive footage) Director Kimberley Ferdinando All cast & crew Production, box office & more at IMDbPro Storyline Edit Keith Morrison investigates the horrific 1994 murders of Joann Katrinak and her infant son, Alex, as well as the ongoing claims that Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of the murders.
