Dave Krieg WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. Knox announced a quarterback change a few days later. The Seahawks lost 15-3 to the Giants (Stouffer fumbled out of the back of the end zone) and 41-14 to the Broncos. -The Seahawks actually beat an Elway-less Broncos in the 1983 playoffs. Gannett may earn revenue from sports betting operators for audience referrals to betting services. Krieg signed with the Lions in April of 1994. "Dave Krieg is making a big move at Jim Zorn. "The Unholy Trinity" as I've labeled them. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1998 season. FactSnippet No. Romo, on the other hand, was flashier and more gifted than Krieg. He always seems to have a big play ready. I was about to jump in by Joey-Harringto. (I'm sure it was interesting if/when Lyle Alzado sacked Krieg; it was one alumnus of a defunct college (Yankton College in Alzado's case) sacking another alumnus of a defunct college. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. Many years later, Lions tackle Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms" on the guy he was blocking because he was wanted Mitchell out of the game. Damn. They are always starting for a 6-10 team, and fumbling twice per game. Explore sample content below to see what you're missing. His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). The newly-christened "Air Knox" flew better than your average wild turkey. What was Dave Krieg hand size? Promisekit.org They somehow (read:Cortez Kennedy) won two games, one of which was against the 1-15 Patriots, so the Pats got local heroDrew Bledsoe #1 in the draftand the Seahawks got Rick Mirer at #2. They crushed the eventual AFC champion Broncos 41-16 in the final game of the regular season (when Denver still had something to play for). I know I am probably the oldest guy on here, so most of you kids probably don't even remember Krieg, but he was a damn good QB who was also underrated. Krieg also played well in Miami the following week, but the Dolphins defeated the Seahawks and went on to lose Super Bowl XIX. We went out for pre-game warm-ups, then came back in and Jerry Rhome said, 'Hey, you know you're starting, don't you? My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. He retired as a Seahawk, and held his press conference in Cheney because it was the site of his first camp in 1980. Despite a brief midseason slump, Krieg played more consistently during the strike-shortened 1987 season. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. Romo, like Krieg, ran torrid-and-tepid, endured playoff pratfalls, led the league in interceptions once but produced lots of memorable highlights, threw to some all-time greats but played for some coaches with complicated legacies, and spent an awful lot of his career mired around .500 despite some impressive stats. He appeared in two other games, going 3-of-3 for 57 yards in relief during a 44-14 blowout of Cincinnati and going 1-of-2 for 3 yards in a loss to the Jets. Dave is proud to be a board Rhome did not mince words when talking about his two quarterbacks in an AP story which ran on August 3, 1982. WebMaybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. Where is Dave Krieg now? Dave Krieg played in 12 postseason games (9 as a starter), and completed 51.1 percent of his passes (144 for 282) for 1,895 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and a 70.86 rating. Some of our best years, pre-Holmgren. The Chiefs lost 30-13. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. Web1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Player's Club Platinum #296 Dave Krieg: $0.50: 1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Update #121 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Gold #234 Dave Krieg: $2.03: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Silver #234 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1996 Classic NFL Experience #54 Dave Krieg: Scott Mitchell was the poster boy for falling in love with small sample sizes. Hand size is more of a fun trivia fact than anything that says a quarterback will fail in the big leagues. I liked him (probably because that's how Philadelphia area sportswriters often wrote). Dave Krieg | Seahawks Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. The World League castoff Stan Gelbaugh was somehow the best QB on the roster (and he was god awful). See Photos. Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! Have you bought the book with the best of Mike's first 12 years or so writing for Football Outsiders? Broadcasters and columnists alike loved to tell the story of the seventh-stringer from tiny Milton College. See Photos. Mitchell was terrible, completing just 48.4% of his passes. Krieg and the Seahawks had a down year in 1985. Somehow, Knox resisted the urge to insert the towel boy at quarterback, and the Seahawks pulled out of a team-wide meltdown to win five straight games and nearly reach the playoffs. "He's the man we're going with," Turner said of Krieg at the time. The Hundredth Monkey on Twitter: "@andeparks I was there too! Like Romo, Krieg rose from the bottom of the bench to have some fabulous seasons, as well as some not-so-fabulous ones. Undrafted in 1980, Krieg tried out for the Seahawks and caught on as a third-string quarterback. In reply to The other players profiled by Joey-Harringto. "I wish I had an arm like John Elway but I don't," Krieg said in the same article. "[Krieg] got 21 points on the board for us," he said. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. Krieg produced his copyrighted late-season hot streak on cue: a 4-2 record down the stretch to get the Seahawks into the playoffs, with five-touchdown and four-touchdown games. Krieg worked his way up the depth chart and became the Wildcats' starter. Pickett, an otherwise accomplished college player, measured out with some of the smallest hands in Combine history at 8.5 inches. by ahzroc. But Krieg produced 21 points in 11 minutes, nearly leading a comeback in a 27-21 loss. The Seahawks finished a disappointing 79, leading to the resignation of Coach Knox. Yeah, it doesnt look any better in writing. Steve DeBerg should get a unique "Ryan Fitzpatrick Before Ryan Fitzpatrick" entry. Oh that guy undrafted from a College that no longer has a football program, had small hands and took over for Zorn and who drove Knox nuts but found a way to win most the time. Dave Krieg. Dave Krieg. But the career leader in quarterback fumbles is none other than Hall of Famer Brett Favre, with 166. Moreover, Krieg's leadership rallied the Lions to a 5-2 regular season finish and a wild card playoff berth. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. [14], Despite a prodigious effort by Mike McCormack to recruit Warren Moon to join the QB ranks in Seattle, Krieg resumed his starting role 1984 after Moon declined Seattle's offer and chose to play for the Houston Oilers instead. His college teams had a 14-30 record in games he started (not exactly in a power conference either), and he was brutal his senior year, completing fewer than 55% of his passes with twice as many INTs as TDs (7-14). Cross Ryan Fitzpatrick with Tony Romo and you might just end up with Dave Krieg. [21] Nevertheless, Krieg's strong regular season showing earned him another Pro Bowl appearance. In reply to I remember when 44 year old by vrao81. "Dave was in the zone", McNair explained. However, Krieg and Seahawks offense were overwhelmed by the aggressive defense of the L.A. Zorn, meanwhile, was getting into hot water with Patera, possibly for criticizing the offensive line, possibly for visibly supporting the NFL Players Association in the weeks leading up to a work stoppage. He was slated to back up Scott Mitchell, the lefty who signed a three-year, $11.1-million contract (that figure's supposed to sound huge, folks) after looking great in relief of Marino for the Dolphins in 1993. The first is that his name really is WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. The USFL created a bidding war for top players, and once it folded, NFL owners tried to roll back salaries. One final thought - both Jim Zorn (undrafted in 1975) and Steve DeBerg (10th round pick in 1977) were originally signed by the Cowboys as rookies but never took a regular season snap for Dallas. Krieg wouldn't have survived it all if he wasn't very, very good. However, operating behind a porous offensive line, Krieg had another inconsistent year. Legendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. The Milton product's consistent play complemented the considerable talents of All-Pro wide receiver Steve Largent and Pro Bowl running back Curt Warner, allowing the Seahawks to make the playoffs for the first time in the team's eighth season. Krieg said Patera wouldn't allow players to drink water during 90-degree training camp two-a-days, which wasn't that unusual back then. "We played against the New York Jets and they had the Sack Exchange defense," Krieg told Beckys-Place.com. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. In reply to I remember Mirer having a by Joey-Harringto. In Week 16, Krieg was benched and Stouffer got his first start of that season. Then he melted down in the Wildcard Game, leading to one of the all-time playoff beat-downs, and subsequently went back to being the Scott Mitchell we all know and love today. "We don't want him looking over his shoulder to see if every time he makes a mistake we're warming up Dave Krieg," Knox said. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. It became a Ryan Fitzpatrick/Harvard type deal, and it framed a perception of Krieg as the ultimate underdog. I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. 3) The Seahawks had the Jets' number in their early expansion years, winning their first 7 games against New York and not losing to the Jets from their founding in 1976 until the 1985 season. Which just tells you that there were a lot of excellent QBs at that time. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. Hmm, it doesnt appear his hand size matters! Cranky coaches! In the regular season finale, Krieg dissected the Raiders' secondary, throwing for 410 yards and four touchdowns, thereby securing the division title at 97 and relegating the Raiders to a wild card berth. There are a few things you should know about Seattle quarterback Dave Krieg, the NFLs top-rated passer after two weeks. I remember when 44 year old Deberg started a game for the 1998 Falcons (one of their 2 losses that season). In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. Then a strike erased two months. Someone even wrote a book about it that was the partial basis for an ESPN 30 for 30 of the same name. He attended Milton College in his home state of Wisconsin and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. WebDave Krieg is one of the NFLs greatest underdog stories. (Both teams finished 5th in their respective AFC divisions in 1980, so they played each other twice in 1981.) -- Krieg is expected to be out for eight weeks with a broken thumb on his throwing hand. 6) The Seahawks' five game winning streak at the end of the 1986 season impressed everyone at the time. Dave Krieg's Career | Seahawks To their credit, Knox and Meyer turned back to Krieg as soon as he was healthy. He's way better than DeBerg!" In the last two years where the 49ers qualified for the postseason (2019 and 2021), they won four playoff games with Garoppolo as their starter. Krieg has Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. Krieg is one of the main reasons for the Seahawks finishing 12-4 in 1984 (season Curt Warner got injured in the 1st game and missed the rest of the season). Seattle also beat the eventual Super Bowl champion Giants earlier in the season. He also had 17 rushing attempts for 20 yards and 1 touchdown. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. The annual offensive comas his teams lapsed into may well have been the result of outdated offenses, weak pass protection, and coaches who thought shuffling quarterbacks might provide a "spark" and that publicly negging their players would motivate them. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). 1996. The Seahawks then lost to Esiason's Bengals in the playoffs. So Knox built an offense out of deep strikes to Largent and Turner, touch passes to Largent, and lots of swing passes to fullback types. [8] In his first NFL start against the New York Jets on December 6, Krieg ran for one touchdown and threw for two others, including a 57-yard game-winning completion to Steve Largent. He also earned the "Ground Chuck" nickname: his Rams finished first or second in the NFL in rushing attempts four times, and his Bills finished second in 1980 and fourth in 1982. [42], Krieg is now a motivational speaker and real estate investor in Phoenix, Arizona. Legendary In reply to "I'm left struggling with by Joe Pancake. that season, because of Kreig. Log In. It was the forerunner toManning-Leaf. Krieg threw 18 touchdown passes in the regular season and four more in the two playoff wins before getting intercepted three times by the eventual Super Bowl champions. See Photos. When injuries sidelined Jim Zorn late in the season, Krieg started the last three games and played well, helping the team record two of its six wins that year. Ranking every NFL team's 2023 draft class from 32 (sorry, 49ers) to 1 (whoa, Colts), 13 Winners (Bill Belichick!) That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. Then he pulled a Benjamin Button and went slowly backwards after that. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). Dave Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. JavaScript is disabled. BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? Ray Didinger called Krieg the "surprise of the year" in a syndicated awards column. That decision helped doom the Seahawks to several seasons of misery and mediocrity under a succession of uninspired quarterbacks. Zorn and Krieg battled through the 1983 offseason, but Knox refused to acknowledge the controversy that the press was breathlessly reporting about. Krieg would suffer a shoulder injury late in what became an up-and-down season, and the Seahawks finished 8-8. Wore number 17 was traded to the Chiefs and then to the Lions and almost took them to the playoffs after Woodley was hurt. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". Bigger hands and Dave would have been so much better. Dave Krieg. Like Fitzpatrick, Krieg played for so long that his origin story became a broadcast trope, and he often played just well enough to get his next job rather than keep his current one. [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. Legends of DVOA: Dave Krieg | Football Outsiders Dave Krieg Although the Seahawks managed only a 79 record, Krieg played well enough to earn a return trip to the Pro Bowl, where he performed impressively, helping lead the AFC to victory.[23]. Hand size (Length/Span): 9.5/10 Height: 61 Percent longer than the In reply to I remember Kelly Stouffer as by Joey-Harringto. Krieg hit Largent for a touchdown in the final seconds of that game to force overtime, but he spent much of the afternoon firing incomplete bombs downfield; the Seahawks were without Warner again, and Knox was without much more of a Plan B than "heave it to Steve.". That quote would have kept the midday sport talk industry busy for a month if the industry existed back then. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. In reply to Great work, Mike by billycurley. He backed up Montana in San Francisco, Elway in Denver, Young in Tampa, and Marino in Miami. "Dave has a lot of vision on the field," Largent said in a Miami Herald feature during the 1983 playoffs. All-Pro Steve Largent missed several games because of a fractured elbow. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1988 season. Still, I was surprised to see trips formations, multiple personnel groupings, and lots of early-down passing from Krieg and Knox. WebKrieg said he never suffered the same injury as Wilson dislocated and torn tendons and two small fractures in his middle finger. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. Krieg is now a motivational speaker and real estate investor as of 2021. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. However, the 10-6 Seahawks failed to qualify for the playoffs. Knox had led the Rams and Bills to the playoffs in his last two stops. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. Warner's backups were burly all-purpose backs Dan Doornink and David Hughes, plus kick returner Eric Lane and, incongruously, a well-beyond-the-hill Franco Harris. I want to hammer home how ridiculous this sentiment is. All that makes it even more amazing the Seahawks were able to get a first round pick for him from the Bears! He's now a high school coach and autism activist. 1 quarterback," Knox insisted in early September, adding that "Zorn has a better grasp of what we're trying to do offensively.". Lol. [19], During the offseason, the Seahawks acquired Kelly Stouffer from the Phoenix Cardinals, and began to groom him as the franchise quarterback of the future.[20]. WebDave Krieg profile, statistics and more. .or just me??? The next week, Krieg's steady performance helped the Seahawks upset Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins on the road. Web@andeparks I was there too! "Jim Zorn's the No. On a team with a moron GM. Mirer and Bledsoe shared Rookie of the Year honors. Dave Krieg was under center the first time I saw a Seahawks game in person. Dave Krieg I was about to jump in to defend Dave Krieg, and say, "You're not giving him enough credit! QB fumbles - Fantasy Index Raiders legend Tom Flores stepped down from the front office to replace him. Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. It was the later-mentioned Steve Deberg at the helm that game. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. In the wild-card round of the playoffs, when the Chiefs hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers, an injured Montana briefly left the game. He's the godfather of the Rob Johnson, Kevin Kolb, and Matt Flynn types. 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. And if he's down, he bounces right back. Coming from a small college, I didn't feel like I had any resources to fall back to for help outside of football. Though I remember both, I was born slightly after the cutoff so I remember Ken Patera better. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. Krieg by then 38 years old came off the bench and helped rally an injury-wracked Bears team to a respectable 66 finish. Krieg signed with the Seahawks' division rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, and started for them throughout 1992, leading his new team to a 106 record, including two victories over Seattle. Knox resigned. Bizarrely, Seattle (6-10 in 1981) handed the 10-5-1 Jets their only two losses of the 1981 season after New York's 0-3 start. Knox replaced Krieg with Jim Zorn to finish out the game as the visiting Seahawks lost to the Raiders, who went on to win Super Bowl XVIII. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. The time before the 1987 strike was, not coincidentally, an era of epic holdouts. Mahomes has played in the AFC Championship Game every year of his starting career and is the leagues arguable best player. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. In a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. In reply to Lol. I never saw any of Krieg's good Seahawks seasons, and I never really saw Curt Warner or Steve Largent play, but I knew who they were because they were a pretty awesome trio in the original Techmo Bowl. WebInterestingly, his span is a whopping 17.6% wider than Anthony Davis' despite being nine inches shorter.
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